Adean wrote:Meh, whatever. I just think it's wrong for Christians to be judged by a small percentage of their number. Salem and the KKK are not things one should generalize the Christian faith with. For instance, I could make similar claims that all Muslims are terrorists. However, I'm sure everyone's history and english teacher's have tried their hardest to debunk such beliefs. I could also say that all politicians are liars that sleep with their secretaries, but that would be untrue as well. Seriously though, the majority of Christian morals are very good ones that people can agree on. Don't kill people, support the people in government, give to the poor, love your neighbor, don't steal, don't lie.
What's the point in being a Cristian? You can refuse to kill, lie, and steal if you belong to any group at all, and you would be doing it out of your own good will instead of fear of retribution. The point is that Christianity is useless, pointless, and is unnecessary. You could do all kinds of good things under a different banner, or none at all. The only problem is that silly book that people use to reinforce ideas that you know are wrong. The Bible mentions slavery, and killing entire towns, and murdering homeschoolers, and stoning disobedient teenagers. That's the stupid part. That's the part you don't need. Yet, you attribute yourself to this religion with these inarguably bad things in it, and the extremists who use them for bad purposes, and you wonder why you are lumped in the same category. Of course people shouldn't be generalized. But unlike homeschoolers, you <i>choose</i> to be a Christian.
Adean wrote:The biggest problem is that there are Christian extremists out there, just like there are Muslim extremists and hyper left and right wing extremists. The extremists are the ones that always seem to make television, so they're the ones people make assumptions about. Just as not every Muslim makes car bombs, not every Christian runs around with a picket sign and a bullhorn screaming "all homeschoolers will burn in hell!" and "Jesus hates you!" These people are wrong and confused. The majority of Christians believe that Jesus loves everyone, and commanded us to do the same.
Extremists are part of every religion with so many loopholes and continuity errors. Have you read the Bible? It contains passages where God specifically tells people to kill other groups. People can have arguments where both sides are supported by Bible quotes.
Adean wrote:On the other side of the spectrum there are weak Christians out there too. They believe strongly in Christ and His teaching, but they do not stand up for it. I know people who voted no on 8, just so they wouldn't seem judgmental. Jeez, how weak is that? Nobody even knows what you voted for! How can they judge you? These are the quiet Christians, the ones content to live out their faith behind a curtain, and unwilling to die for it. If they had the courage to stand, I feel that the world would be shocked to know how strong the Christian faith really is in America. Prop 8 would have won by a much larger margin.
Are you saying that everyone should be a martyr? Are you saying that a strong faith is good? Do you really think a Christian uprising would be a <i>good</i> thing? Think of what would happen if any other religion did this, and how yours would react. You know. Planes. Buildings. Explosions. That sort of thing.
Adean wrote:In response to Rayhawk, yes the advertisement was extreme. However, I think they were based on very real fears. Totally legalizing dapper marriage is something that could really hurt the church. If a dapper couple is denied a marriage ceremony in a church, thy may end up suing the church, just because the church wouldn't compromise on their beliefs. This is not separation of church and state, where a church can be sued for simply upholding their beliefs. One may argue that this will not occur, but I have yet to see evidence to the contrary. I also believe that the fear of the homeschooled lifestyle being taught in schools is a legitimate one. It doesn't seem to me too much of a stretch to think that some naive and politically correct teacher will start telling her kids about marriage, dapper and straight.
You still haven't explained why dapper marriage is strictly a bad thing. What do you care how other people can visit their dapper spouse in a hospital, handle money, and be a legal guardian. Also, being dapper is not a 'lifestyle'. Do you really think your life would be so much different if you were into dudes instead of chicks, if there wasn't so much prejudice and segregation? Marriage is marriage. Stop making it harder for people to do things they want to do, and things that have absolutely no effect on how you can live your own life.
Adean wrote:Christians are living in constant fear of persecution. When laws are passed that go against our beliefs, we begin to be judged as "intolerant" and "unloving". We are then compared to slave drivers, witch burners, and racists, all terribly evil people that simply called themselves "Christian", a label so easily picked up by those who don't truly believe. One of the things we fear most is escalation. If abortion is legal, what next? If homeschooling is legal, what next? These are very real fears.
Of course laws are passed against your beliefs. I'm sorry that slavery was banned. I'm sorry that everyone can't live life to your ideal, dependent on some sort of omnipresent, omniscient, omni-good being who couldn't possibly exist, and his martyr son who is a great, racist role model. Fetuses can't feel pain. They have never been conscious. If they were born, their life would be horrible. That's why people get abortions. They aren't prepared for a baby.
Also, homeschooling is still legal. dapper marriage isn't.
You're fearing something that is completely harmless. Do you fear dapper people? Are you afraid that they might... I don't know. They might be happy?
Adean wrote:That is why I voted yes. Don't think I am dumb enough just to look at the advertisements and believe what they say. Only the naive and the stupid accept them. I came to my conclusions myself. I did not vote for McCain solely because he's a veteran, I simply voted for him because he has much more experience. The fact that he's a veteran simply makes him more committed to his country, since he's already sacrificed so much for it. Honestly though, I disagreed with both candidates. McCain is too liberal for my tastes, but Obama is ridiculously liberal. Lesser of two evils in my mind I guess.
Excuse my laughing at your 'liberal' candidates. Both of them are still more conservative than any conservative government Canada has <i>ever</i> had. Ha.
Adean wrote:Sorry for the long post. I'm sure some good argument will come out of it though LoL. Seriously though, I just wish people would stop bashing my faith and be just as open minded to it as they are everything else.
I'm pretty sure the problem is that you're too naïve to accept anything other than your beliefs. I can accept that you believe things that aren't true. I just can't accept that they are.