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Re: The Emerian Empire and United Colonies

Postby Silverdream » Sun Apr 13, 2014 3:41 am

Vami IV wrote:UPDATE

The Emerian Empire and United (Federations) Commonwealths and Republics has been rescaled! Emeria is now a fairly large faction, but not 3 Immortal Empire + 5 Assyrian (Star, if you want to get technical) Empires.

Official size is now anywhere from 190-210 systems. I'll leave it up to a poll.


That's much more reasonable. 1 and a half galaxies would have meant a population of around 126,000,000,000,000,000,000 people according to conservative populations.
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Re: The Emerian Empire and United Colonies

Postby Vami IV » Sun Apr 13, 2014 4:40 am

Scratch wrote:Thanks for responding,

I'm going to advise that you reconsider your empire's size, mainly because having it at the previously suggested size (1 galaxy and a half, if I remember correctly) brings up some serious plot-holes in the canon I've seen on the wiki. I'll go into detail about that later. The other reason having a galactic empire is a bad idea is because it sorta discourages others from interacting with your canon, as it makes you seem like you're posturing for position without contributing to the community.

The main examples of people with extra-galactic empires (meaning outside Galaxia Nehellenium) are the Immortals, M-Throne, and Praetoria. The Immortals get this distinction due to having basically started the drawn out warfare with Fico and the Immortal War, they had an extremely developed canon, and the bricks to wow the forum into accepting the really sorta unreasonable concepts, (like immortality). Kaplan is allowed his more recent extra-dimensional empire because he, again, has enough bricks to make the whole forum shut their faces about empire size. Praetoria has both amazing LDD creations and never actually claimed an entire galaxy, from what he's told me on chat, Dilanski's empire is fairly average sized in their home galaxy, they just possess advanced enough tech to travel between galaxies. The figure you posted in the thread is 1.5 galaxies, which would make you the largest empire in existence, larger than the Immortals or M-Thronians.

Here's the parts where I think having such a large empire conflicts with your canon (mainly the Assyria/Emerian war you posted on the wiki), all astronomy figures used here are a combination of colette and google, so if you have any conflicting info, let me know and blame them. First off, let's assume you have a fairly average galaxy, like the Milky Way, (which is likely the base size for Nehellenium) the Milky Way has approximately 400 billion systems in it, to compare, the Great Assyrian Star Empire has a total of 210 systems. Even in a worse case senerio, where only 1/4 of the systems have planets that can be terraformed, that still leaves 100 billion systems. That would mean your empire has 150 billion systems total, again, the largest empire inside Galaxia Nehellenium (The USA) has a mere 500 systems, this means have a mind-blowingly exponential number of systems more than any other empire inside the galaxia, and are still 1.5 times larger than the largest two outside it.

Now, let's put this in the context of the Emerian-Assyrian war. I estimated population based on your explanation of why you needed to expand so much (overpopulation requiring continuing expansion) we can assume that a system that was overpopulated to the point of overexpansion would have a bare minimum of 10 billion people living in it. (on a side note, the birth-rate of such an empire would have to be like rabbits with an IV-bag full of viagra to justify galactic expansion for that reason alone) so, thus far we have established that the bare minimum of a 1.5 galaxy wide empire's population would be 10 billion X 150 billion, not counting the possibilities that you could be using more than 1/4 of the systems in the galaxy and the fact that the population could be larger. Thus, the empire has a population of 1.5 trillion, which is a really really large amount. With that much manpower in your military, there is literally no way that Assyria could defeat you in a war. Firstly, the vast, vast size of your empire precludes any attempt at occupying systems of even bombing strategic targets. You could fill every single planet in the Assyrian empire with people piled ontop of eachother until you reach the atmosphere, that would probably cause them to surrender. (In terms of birth rate/population, if you can defeat the Assyrian Armored Core by dropping the babies born that morning onto it until it collapses from pressure or the pilot drown is a bit overkill.) Thus, having an empire this large makes it physically impossible to lose a war against Assyria unless you possessed no concept of warfare or weapons.

So, I hope that this sorta-overkill analysis of why having such a huge empire makes such an empire unplayible outside of conceptually. I'd reccomend having a smaller empire, around a hundred systems or so. (again, for scale, Assyria only has 210, Trattoria has 190 something, I(Venice) have 200-ish, and Bavaria has less than 100, having an empire this size will allow you to play a major part in galactic politics while not seeming like you are godmodding/having a mary-sue country. (If you still want to be larger than Rayhawk, then you could go up to 450 before you start seeming like your going "lol i have teh biggest empire fuk u I am teh best lol" like Rayhawk did when he introduced his one robot army.) It's still perfectly OK to start out with a big empire, it's just that having one that large makes your empire unplayable from a balance standpoint, and gives the impression that you're acting like a munchkin/mary-sue/kid who won't accept reasonable bounderies.

Hope this helps put things into perspective! Sorry for the whole wall of text. Other forum members who've put forward similar stuff (IE Pedonuker and Asterious) have been generally persecuted by the community for their misstep, and I don't want to lose another member to the same thing. I look forward to more from Emeria, such as some non-wiki stuff about the war over Atlantia, like a battle report or SOB.

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Stratch talked me into. I thoroughly enjoyed the Ben Thompson level exaggeration.

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Vami IV wrote:UPDATE

The Emerian Empire and United (Federations) Commonwealths and Republics has been rescaled! Emeria is now a fairly large faction, but not 3 Immortal Empire + 5 Assyrian (Star, if you want to get technical) Empires.

Official size is now anywhere from 190-210 systems. I'll leave it up to a poll.


That's much more reasonable. 1 and a half galaxies would have meant a population of around 126,000,000,000,000,000,000 people according to conservative populations.

Emeria's government encourages flings and orgies, as more population means more Soldado. Among other things
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Re: The Emerian Empire and United Colonies

Postby Colette » Sun Apr 13, 2014 8:50 am

Vami IV wrote:Colette, do you mind if Roselyn Frank is a Trattorian immigrant?
(Roselyn Frank is named after the Biologist Roselyne Frank, who was the scientist who discovered the Double Helix in DNA. Colette should know this, but I'm just putting as backround for her name)

Sure, why not.

I also appreciate the rescaling. Scratch is a much nicer and more persuasive than me.
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Re: The Emerian Empire and United Colonies

Postby Silverdream » Sun Apr 13, 2014 10:54 am

Scratch is right on most accounts, but the Immortals have conquered several Universes. The Immortal Empire in the Brikverse is essentially a scouting force from what Warhead's told me.

Of course, this was a while ago, so it could have been retconned.
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Re: The Emerian Empire and United Colonies

Postby Vami IV » Sun Apr 13, 2014 1:03 pm

Most of my canon, when not interacting with foreign powers, will be spent attacking, conquering, and subjugating planets and systems. Because of the rescaling, the Vipiriath can now be invaded by foreign powers from the Nehellenium.
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Re: The Emerian Empire and United Colonies

Postby motorhead fan » Sun Apr 13, 2014 1:21 pm

yeah



i find it quite unfair to appear out of nowhere and say you have a massive empire because everyone will be quite surprised by the suddenness of their demotion to secondary galactic threats







and will then be annoyed by you. alot
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Re: The Emerian Empire and United Colonies

Postby Vami IV » Wed Apr 30, 2014 10:54 pm

Okay, when I have more stuff build and ready, I will repost this in an official thread. Maybe, I'll have more lego.

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Re: The Emerian Empire and United Colonies

Postby Vami IV » Sat Jun 21, 2014 7:01 am

Ok, I figure that I'll build more stuff and make one really big official page for the Emerians and post occasional updates there.
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Re: The Emerian Empire and United Colonies

Postby R4m3N » Thu Jul 03, 2014 11:58 pm

I really like the flag design ^^
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