occupy wall street.

[piltogg]

before I get into it, would like to know how many of you have allready heard of this movement and what your thoughts are about it?

[Tzan]

I think that people who believe that their opinions mean anything, on the internet or on a street corner are fools.

If they pooled 100 billion dollars and then started buying up then destroying some banks, then they would get some attention. Or perhaps just running them in a more moral way, whatever that means.


If they were serious they would be car bombing bankers.

[Ross_Varn]

heard of this movement

[Hoboman]

A few hundred people on a slow news week does not mean much. Show me a crowd of 100,000 showing up then that would be a movement.

But most Americans are too apathetic to care enough to show up.

[piltogg]

well.. 400 got arrested earlier today.. that probably counts for something. I don't know if they can actually achieve anything this way, but the idea itself is the important part.

[Hoboman]

....but the idea itself is the important part.

Yes, the idea is the important part. I agree. But if the idea does not generate real support then it does not mean much. The New York events have topped out at about 1,500.

I contrast this effort with the demonstrations such as the illigal issues in California that drew more than 500,000 people or the "Million Man March" that drew about 837,000.

But then again, if things get bad enough maybe we will see a million folks marching up Wall St.

[piltogg]

I feel like that would probably take.. gas prices rising a few more cents or something like that.

[Silent-sigfig]

I don't know about where you live, but I just saw gas for $3.25 a gallon.

[Keldoclock]

I saw some of these hippies outside my school the other day, it's pretty stupid. One of them was holding up a sign called "save the whales" and the general message was "capitalism is broken" "everyone has a RIGHT to a job" etcetera.


They're stupid hippies, who take showers in what would otherwise be a perfectly good public fountain.

[piltogg]

hmm, yes I suppose that many of them are. It's the masterminds who are telling the hippies what to do that are important to me. (in this case, anonymous.)

[Natalya]

I don't know about where you live, but I just saw gas for $3.25 a gallon.

Lol me too.

hmm, yes I suppose that many of them are. It's the masterminds who are telling the hippies what to do that are important to me. (in this case, anonymous.)

As the official representative of Anonymous for this forum, here is what I have to say:

I went to the 4th Atlanta General Assembly that they held on Sunday October 2. Atlanta is late to the game so we only had like 150~ people there by my estimation, but apparently that was twice what it was last week. In any case, they are looking at forming a permanent occupation//encampment somewhere in the city to use as a springboard to do protests and shit elsewhere. Similar to NYC, parks are city property and we will be arrested if we try to camp them out over night or something, but many of the people there seem ready to get arrested for the cause whether that's why, or for other reasons that the cops might crack down on us. When I joined the facebook group for the Atlanta one on Sunday there were ~1500 members. As I write this there are 3243, so in 2 days they doubled. This movement is getting stronger every day, and I'll go to the next meeting on Friday this week. There will be legit protest action going on this time too which will be fun.

On the news they like to talk about how they are disorganized and don't have any clear goals, but keep in mind that this is a strategy developed and used by Anonymous three years ago in our early crusades against S¢ientology, so that tells you that A: Anonymous is the organizational template for the movement, and B: Anonymous is probably more deeply involved than either the organizers of the movement, the news media, or Anonymous itself would care to admit. At this point we have basically dismantled S¢ientology in its previous form, so we're moving on to bigger targets. The demands are unclear, but here are some of the top things that I expect this movement will try to achieve:

- Destruction and replacement of the Federal Reserve
- Absolution of Student Loan Debt
- Reinstatement of Glass-Steagal Act (banks can't invest depositors money)
- Revocation of corporate right to free speech (no campaign donations)
- Abolishment of Super PACs
- Unconditional withdraw from Afghanistan

Other things they might try:
- Net Neutrality institutionalized within the FCC
- Abolishment of DNA copyright (agribusiness, see Monsanto)
- Some kind of restrictions on lobbying

Piltogg you should go to the next meeting near you... this movement is spreading across the country so you might have a group beginning near where you live. It feels great to get involved even if you don't know what's going on at first.

[Keldoclock]

hmm, yes I suppose that many of them are. It's the masterminds who are telling the hippies what to dohttp://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Drop_Sentinel that are important to me. (in this case, anonymous.)

- Destruction and replacement of the Federal Reserve



- Absolution of Student Loan Debt

That one doesn't surprise me considering Anon's demographics.

- Reinstatement of Glass-Steagal Act (banks can't invest depositors money)

VERY bad idea, you'll be fucking over a whole industry w\ that.

- Revocation of corporate right to free speech (no campaign donations)

Good, but should be done very cautiously.

- Abolishment of Super PACs

Okay.

- Unconditional withdraw from Afghanistan

You're tripping balls there Natalya.

Other things they might try:
- Net Neutrality institutionalized within the FCC

Good

- Abolishment of DNA copyright (agribusiness, see Monsanto)

Good, if the industry survives it.

- Some kind of restrictions on lobbying

Good.

[Natalya]

- Reinstatement of Glass-Steagal Act (banks can't invest depositors money)

VERY bad idea, you'll be fucking over a whole industry w\ that.

- Revocation of corporate right to free speech (no campaign donations)

Good, but should be done very cautiously.

...

- Unconditional withdraw from Afghanistan

You're tripping balls there Natalya.
...
- Abolishment of DNA copyright (agribusiness, see Monsanto)

Good, if the industry survives it.

O, ye of little faith.

[piltogg]

precisely. I have been in contact with a few of the ring-leaders for a few weeks now. And your goals go waaaaaaaaay farther than that. Rememer how anon was started on 4chan? what kind of person do you think would come up with a plan like that, and why do you think that they would have chosen that particular board?

Anyway, knowing what I know, the fact that the occupation is occurring in wall street specifically is very interesting, because we had been discussing this as a possibility for a few months prior on an illuminati discussion board. Originally the plan had been to just get a few thousand disgruntled people to storm Washington D.C. but then I and a few other suggested that it would work much better if we could flood the prison systems prior to that, with relatively small scale demonstrations in every major city, but more specifically, in wall street. So if in about three weeks you see that everyone who is currently in wall street move down to DC and be joined by about six times more people, which if the plan goes correctly would result in full scale revolution (velvet naturally) by around that oh so tempting December 2012 date. So if that happens, there is your proof. Anyway, we have been planing these actions for a very long time now and ALL of these events are clearly laid out in one of our code-books; "the last bling king" if any of you are inspired to read it, then anywhere that it says "the league of liberation for nobodies" the real world counterpart is anon.

Oh, and while I am aware that there is an MN branch of anon, I don't think I would bother to show up, because I would probably start laughing maniacally halfway through as they started talking, because I tend to do that when things go my way.

[Keldoclock]

Dunno how "little faith" i was displaying, I pretty much have shown guarded optimism toward all but the Glass-Steagal Act. That one is just really a bad idea, and I'm a fucking minarchist.