Pearl Harbour II: To Russia with love!

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Pearl Harbour II: To Russia with love!

Postby Silverdream » Sun May 12, 2013 2:57 pm

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Re: Pearl Harbour II: To Russia with love!

Postby Kalvinator » Sun May 12, 2013 5:28 pm

Halfway through I went from , "Huh, looks pretty decent, I'll probably see it." to "Okay, wtf, why are they having fucking romance in a movie about a huge awesome ass battle?!"
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Re: Pearl Harbour II: To Russia with love!

Postby *CRAZYHORSE* » Mon May 13, 2013 1:38 pm

:wtc: you sissies, can't even handle a bit of romance in your war flicks.
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Re: Pearl Harbour II: To Russia with love!

Postby Silverdream » Mon May 13, 2013 1:54 pm

*CRAZYHORSE* wrote::wtc: you sissies, can't even handle a bit of romance in your war flicks.


I don't mind romance in war films, to be honest I prefer romantic comedies altogether. The problem I have is that it's another American war film that dehumanizes the other side. In my opinion it would be much more interesting to watch both a squad of conscripts desperately trying to stop their tank from freezing while running lower and lower on ammunition and food as well as a group of Russians trying to survive.
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Re: Pearl Harbour II: To Russia with love!

Postby *CRAZYHORSE* » Mon May 13, 2013 2:06 pm

I too would like to see that movie.
Why not also make it a romantic comedy if we are at it anyway.
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Re: Pearl Harbour II: To Russia with love!

Postby Arkbrik » Mon May 13, 2013 4:00 pm

When you hear a movie is called Stalingrad, you expect it to be about the horror and pointlessness of war. Not for it to be a stupidpatriotheroic movie.
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Re: Pearl Harbour II: To Russia with love!

Postby Kalvinator » Wed May 15, 2013 6:07 pm

Silverdream wrote:The problem I have is that it's another American war film that dehumanizes the other side. In my opinion it would be much more interesting to watch both a squad of conscripts desperately trying to stop their tank from freezing while running lower and lower on ammunition and food as well as a group of Russians trying to survive.


Remember, the winners write the history books, so that means that in every WWII movie, you can expect to see either the the Germans or Japanese in a "evil" light.

Arkbrik wrote:When you hear a movie is called Stalingrad, you expect it to be about the horror and pointlessness of war. Not for it to be a stupidpatriotheroic movie.


And yes, War is horrible and scary and such, but you can't say that it doesn't get shit done, so, not pointless. In a perfect world it would be, but sadly, we don't live in a perfect world.
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Re: Pearl Harbour II: To Russia with love!

Postby Silverdream » Wed May 15, 2013 6:17 pm

Kalvinator wrote:Remember, the winners write the history books, so that means that in every WWII movie, you can expect to see either the the Germans or Japanese in a "evil" light.


Except for Letters from Iwo Jima, Valkyrie, Stalingrad, Das Boot, Inglourious Basterds and a bunch of foreign films.
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Re: Pearl Harbour II: To Russia with love!

Postby Kalvinator » Wed May 15, 2013 6:19 pm

Hmm, alright I have some movies to watch.
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Re: Pearl Harbour II: To Russia with love!

Postby Silverdream » Wed May 15, 2013 6:22 pm

Kalvinator wrote:Hmm, alright I have some movies to watch.


Iwo Jima and Das Boot are the best in my opinion.
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Re: Pearl Harbour II: To Russia with love!

Postby Bragallot » Thu May 16, 2013 7:54 am

Kalvinator wrote:Halfway through I went from , "Huh, looks pretty decent, I'll probably see it." to "Okay, wtf, why are they having fucking romance in a movie about a huge awesome ass battle?!"


This. 'In War, there is Love' -> x__x

Arkbrik wrote:When you hear a movie is called Stalingrad, you expect it to be about the horror and pointlessness of war. Not for it to be a stupidpatriotheroic movie.


Yeah, like the first Stalingrad.

Kalvinator wrote:Remember, the winners write the history books, so that means that in every WWII movie, you can expect to see either the the Germans or Japanese in a "evil" light.

Arkbrik wrote:When you hear a movie is called Stalingrad, you expect it to be about the horror and pointlessness of war. Not for it to be a stupidpatriotheroic movie.


And yes, War is horrible and scary and such, but you can't say that it doesn't get shit done, so, not pointless. In a perfect world it would be, but sadly, we don't live in a perfect world.


1: Doesn't mean you have to approve of it.

As to the second quote, what? War only causes more damage that it 'solves' and in the end just leads to more war. Maybe pointless isn't the best word to describe it, but 'not preferable' certainly is.

Silverdream wrote:Except for Letters from Iwo Jima, Valkyrie, Stalingrad, Das Boot, Inglourious Basterds and a bunch of foreign films.


Thanks for pointing that out, but wait what Inglorious Basterds? That's a Piltogg slasher 'uhh Bad Pritt is an awesome anti-Nazi hero!' movie if there ever was one.

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Re: Pearl Harbour II: To Russia with love!

Postby Silverdream » Thu May 16, 2013 12:00 pm

The Basterds go into France and start killing civilians, POWs, mutilating people and are very dishonourable. Meanwhile the Germans in the movie are shown to be brave, sympathetic to others and honourable, with the exception of Hugo Stiglitz and the Jew hunter. In one of the very first scenes of the film, a German officer refuses to tell the Basterds the positions of the other squads even though he knows he's going to be beaten to death. Tarantino makes the Germans human because the movie is a statement about violence in film. The movie theatre scene is literally comparing the audience to nazis.
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Re: Pearl Harbour II: To Russia with love!

Postby Tzan » Thu May 16, 2013 12:46 pm

Silverdream wrote:The movie theatre scene is literally comparing the audience to nazis.


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Re: Pearl Harbour II: To Russia with love!

Postby Silverdream » Thu May 16, 2013 5:57 pm

Tzan wrote:
Silverdream wrote:The movie theatre scene is literally comparing the audience to nazis.


You'll make a wonderful high school english teacher one day.


Thanks. I'm thinking about doing clifsnotes for my Magic Soap Operas to point out all the metaphors, motifs, allusions and other literary devices as well as character analysis.
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Re: Pearl Harbour II: To Russia with love!

Postby Kalvinator » Sun May 19, 2013 12:47 am

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Kalvinator wrote:Halfway through I went from , "Huh, looks pretty decent, I'll probably see it." to "Okay, wtf, why are they having fucking romance in a movie about a huge awesome ass battle?!"


This. 'In War, there is Love' -> x__x



Kalvinator wrote:And yes, War is horrible and scary and such, but you can't say that it doesn't get shit done, so, not pointless. In a perfect world it would be, but sadly, we don't live in a perfect world.


As to the second quote, what? War only causes more damage that it 'solves' and in the end just leads to more war. Maybe pointless isn't the best word to describe it, but 'not preferable' certainly is.



6. Right? I mean I like romance in movies...unless it has absolutely nothing to do with what its about.

7. Never said it was preferable. Also, I guess it gets shit done in a political sense, not in people problem sense.
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