Hard rock/Metal difference?

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Hard rock/Metal difference?

Postby samuelzz10 » Thu Oct 24, 2013 8:26 pm

I thought I would post this here because Rock hath no place in Metal, and I am a mod here so I can delete all posts that don't contribute to the main topic. (Yes, you heard me. I'm making a serious thread here)

Anyways, I made a metal band not too long ago (about 3 months) and we're making a metal record later this year. It's a comedy record, so it's a lot like the D. But also I want it to actually be a metal record, and not a hard rock record saying it's metal.

I should point out, a few select people do in fact need to pull their heads out their asses. For example, VAN HALEN IS METAL!
Proof:
BPM of Eruption: (Van Halen) 92-146
BPM of Paranoid: (Black Sabbath) 164
BPM of Hot for Teacher: (Van Halen) 126
BPM of Ace of Spades: (Motorhead) 140
BPM of Stay Frosty: (Van Halen) 178
BPM of Breaking the Law: (Judas Priest) 160
Some other things:
Alex Van Halen uses 2 bass drums, generally multiple base drums imply a band is metal.
Van Halen is considered an influence to a metric shit-ton of Metal bands.
It should also be understood that Van Hagar isn't metal, that was some sort of hard-rock/new wave hybrid

So that aside, I want to know, what would you consider metal?
I've recorded these two song samples done by me (btw, I'm not the lead guitar, I play rhythm, so the songs in actuality are about twice as fast)
http://youtu.be/S4lCluFwTfE
http://youtu.be/a0RB-zbZaYA
Would you consider it metal if it was faster? Or is there a more intricate instrumental process in determining if a song is metal?
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Re: Hard rock/Metal difference?

Postby Silverdream » Thu Oct 24, 2013 8:28 pm

Van Halen sucks.
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Re: Hard rock/Metal difference?

Postby samuelzz10 » Thu Oct 24, 2013 8:31 pm

Silverdream wrote:Van Halen sucks.

Care to elaborate? I think they're one of the best bands ever, but seeing as how you like Blink182, I would like to hear your explanation.
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Re: Hard rock/Metal difference?

Postby Silverdream » Thu Oct 24, 2013 8:34 pm

Panama was an okay song. Everything else they did sucks. Even with the Pick of Destiny they weren't that good.

I don't really like Blink 182, I just mixed it up with Sum 41.
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Re: Hard rock/Metal difference?

Postby samuelzz10 » Thu Oct 24, 2013 8:40 pm

Silverdream wrote:Panama was an okay song. Everything else they did sucks. Even with the Pick of Destiny they weren't that good.

I don't really like Blink 182, I just mixed it up with Sum 41.

There was literally no elaboration in that. You just said they suck, which is what you did before. They have the best guitarist, a really good bass player who is possibly the best backing vocalist ever (or was until he left a few years ago) one of the best metal frontmen on par with the likes of Ozzy and Dio, and one of the most skilled drummers that ever lived. I can possibly understand why you would think they suck if you are referring to A Different Kind of Truth, but literally every Roth-era song besides that is gold through and through.
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Re: Hard rock/Metal difference?

Postby Silverdream » Thu Oct 24, 2013 8:59 pm

They sound okay, but I don't remember anything really noteworthy about them. They're just an average band that fails to deliver anything truly groundbreaking or interesting. Nothing about them makes me want to come back and listen to more when they're identical to thousands of other bands.
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Re: Hard rock/Metal difference?

Postby samuelzz10 » Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:04 pm

Silverdream wrote:fails to deliver anything truly groundbreaking or interesting

Perhaps the first major use of fingertapping in metal?

But what about the main topic? What do you consider to be the lowest level of metal?
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Re: Hard rock/Metal difference?

Postby Tzan » Thu Oct 24, 2013 10:44 pm

samuelzz10 wrote:Alex Van Halen uses 2 bass drums, generally multiple base drums imply a band is metal.

So that aside, I want to know, what would you consider metal?


High school marching bands sometimes have more than 2 bass drums.
So I guess you're right, the average high school marching band is more metal than Van Halen.
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Re: Hard rock/Metal difference?

Postby Apollyon » Fri Oct 25, 2013 9:15 am

6. Metal is about attitude

7. Metal is about the looks

8. then comes the music

Alternatively: if you play it to your mom, schoolmates or strangers and they say it's just noise THEN it's metal!
If you're not into Metal you are not my friend!
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Re: Hard rock/Metal difference?

Postby samuelzz10 » Fri Oct 25, 2013 4:34 pm

Apollyon wrote:6. Metal is about attitude

7. Metal is about the looks

8. then comes the music

This sounds more like punk rock advise, but thanks. This is the feedback I'm looking for.
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Re: Hard rock/Metal difference?

Postby Zupponn » Sat Oct 26, 2013 12:59 pm

samuelzz10 wrote:Proof:
BPM of Eruption: (Van Halen) 92-146
BPM of Paranoid: (Black Sabbath) 164
BPM of Hot for Teacher: (Van Halen) 126
BPM of Ace of Spades: (Motorhead) 140
BPM of Stay Frosty: (Van Halen) 178
BPM of Breaking the Law: (Judas Priest) 160

BPM has very little to do with if something is metal or not.

I feel that to determine if a band is metal, you have to look at the atmosphere of the songs.
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Re: Hard rock/Metal difference?

Postby samuelzz10 » Sat Oct 26, 2013 1:45 pm

Zupponn wrote:
samuelzz10 wrote:Proof:
BPM of Eruption: (Van Halen) 92-146
BPM of Paranoid: (Black Sabbath) 164
BPM of Hot for Teacher: (Van Halen) 126
BPM of Ace of Spades: (Motorhead) 140
BPM of Stay Frosty: (Van Halen) 178
BPM of Breaking the Law: (Judas Priest) 160

BPM has very little to do with if something is metal or not.

I feel that to determine if a band is metal, you have to look at the atmosphere of the songs.

I know, some marching band songs have a very high BPM, but this was honestly the only comparison I could think of.
But as for atmosphere, this feels very metal, like Paranoid traditional type metal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1m-DYM7JvMA
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Re: Hard rock/Metal difference?

Postby Zupponn » Sat Oct 26, 2013 6:48 pm

Early Van Halen was definitely metal, but then they went mainstream and their sound changed.
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Re: Hard rock/Metal difference?

Postby samuelzz10 » Sat Oct 26, 2013 8:19 pm

Zupponn wrote:Early Van Halen was definitely metal, but then they went mainstream and their sound changed.

Hagar era was new wave/hard rock, but they still had some metal songs like "Poundcake" and "Good Enough".

When Roth returned, so did the metal.
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Re: Hard rock/Metal difference?

Postby Tzan » Sat Oct 26, 2013 9:59 pm

Did Mr. Roth play in his high school marching band?
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