I do not use structure damage

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I do not use structure damage

Postby pesgores » Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:34 am

Never. I prefer the individual brick damage.

This means you can destroy a tank, blast it enough times to exceed its structure level or whatever more than 10 times, but if the controls and propulsion systems work, then it is still maneuverable.

This is what I did with Metal Gear GOOSE's cockpit on my Forum Battle. Only used local damage.

I don't know if this is the best way of proceding. I think I'll start using structure damage, but I'm not sure.
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Postby randomno12 » Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:41 am

i never got structure damage. I think rayhawk should revise that bit of the rulebooks
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Postby Theblackdog » Mon Apr 13, 2009 6:57 am

My structure damage rules say that the number of structure points the vehicle loses = damage roll - armor roll (if the damage roll is greater than the armor roll. If the armor roll is greater, the vehicle doesn't GAIN structure points). I find this to be pretty convenient; 2 to 3 hits will kill most vehicles with this method.
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Postby Doopliss » Mon Apr 13, 2009 10:12 am

I'm actually thinking of applying Structure Damage rules to Component Attacks. Always got on my nerves that you can one-shot a Size 6 gun if you just beat an already-weakened Structure Level.

I'm having trouble picturing how you can score ten successful hits on a tank without wrecking its engine/controls/treads, though. You'd need to use a lot of overkill rules.
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Postby tahthing » Mon Apr 13, 2009 10:46 am

i use brick damage this makes high radius weapons very usefull and makes expossed tracks very weak(unless there the new technic ones that for me represent heavy tracks) and weapons that have weak joints bad.
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Postby Greenkey15 » Mon Apr 13, 2009 2:56 pm

If you are talking about the QuikWars method of damage, then yes! I think it is more realistic and fun that way.
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Postby IVhorseman » Mon Apr 13, 2009 3:46 pm

The reasoning for structure damage is that while a smaller target may be more effective (like the treads on a tank or a jet's engines), it's harder to hit that spot, especially with big guns. When doing structural damage, you get a bonus for the size of the object, making it easier to hit (but you'll need more successive hits to destroy it).

Also, some people would rather blow something to tiny pieces than simply kill the crew, and there's nothing wrong with that.

Doopliss wrote:I'm having trouble picturing how you can score ten successful hits on a tank without wrecking its engine/controls/treads, though.


Actually it does. For every point of structure damage something takes, it gets -1" to movement.
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Postby tahthing » Mon Apr 13, 2009 3:52 pm

i use the near miss rules so if you fire at the treads but miss you might hit something else on the tank.
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Postby pesgores » Mon Apr 13, 2009 3:58 pm

IVhorseman wrote:The reasoning for structure damage is that while a smaller target may be more effective (like the treads on a tank or a jet's engines), it's harder to hit that spot, especially with big guns. When doing structural damage, you get a bonus for the size of the object, making it easier to hit (but you'll need more successive hits to destroy it).

Also, some people would rather blow something to tiny pieces than simply kill the crew, and there's nothing wrong with that.

Doopliss wrote:I'm having trouble picturing how you can score ten successful hits on a tank without wrecking its engine/controls/treads, though.


Actually it does. For every point of structure damage something takes, it gets -1" to movement.


Well, near miss rule applies.
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Postby IVhorseman » Mon Apr 13, 2009 4:00 pm

Right, but a near miss is still a miss. You might hit a different part of the tank, but if you missed the tread, you missed the tread.
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Postby pesgores » Mon Apr 13, 2009 4:04 pm

But you hit another part somewhere else in the tank, on a range of x" (x being the difference between your skill roll and the UR of the weapon you used), if the range is enough.

You have a tremendous point there. Maybe I'll start using strut dmg for big vehicles/buildings...
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Postby jifel » Mon Apr 13, 2009 4:07 pm

Theblackdog wrote:My structure damage rules say that the number of structure points the vehicle loses = damage roll - armor roll (if the damage roll is greater than the armor roll. If the armor roll is greater, the vehicle doesn't GAIN structure points). I find this to be pretty convenient; 2 to 3 hits will kill most vehicles with this method.

I think I like TBD's rules alot, so I woll use those in my next Forum battle. (which will have a lot more vehicles.)

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Postby Jaye Tea » Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:09 pm

I just use vehicle hit points, HP= 1/2 size rating rounded up.
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Postby Natalya » Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:40 am

You know what Pes? You're right. Structure rules are stupid. I'm never using them again except for armour values of targets.
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Postby Professor Ken » Thu Apr 16, 2009 7:37 am

One of the nicest things about Brikwars for me is the ease of which you can show vehicle damage on the battlefield. If a jeep gets hit with a sword, it might just lose a mud guard, but with a high-explosive shell it will become very functional battlefield rubbish, which the surviving crew can then take cover and hide behind as they search for a weapon to use.
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