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Re: They're Finally Finishing It! I Can Die Happy!

Post by Bragallot » Mon Dec 21, 2020 4:33 pm

Well, maybe, but there are other ways of dealing with such people than blowing up the entire planet, and they didn't present an immediate threat to 200 billion people that couldn't be dealt with otherwise. In fact the destruction of Alderaan created more resistance against them. The Empire tried to rule through fear (the real reason for the destruction of Alderaan) and generally the leaders were power hungry people like Tarkin and Krennic who were not really loyal to each other either.

I like the idea of imperials who are more honourable and try to be an actual force of order in the galaxy. Though they use some of the imagery, I think The Empire is not as bad as the Nazis. Definitely not originally. They were retconned a little to seem more like that. The First Order though... that's another story.
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Re: They're Finally Finishing It! I Can Die Happy!

Post by Venge » Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:24 pm

kaiser bufanda wrote:
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Thank god. Everything in rebels looked either shitty and skinny or boxy AF. clone wars knows how to make lightsabers threatening, not wimpy little laser rods.
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Additionally, STORMTROOPER LIVES MATTER. any clone death was sad, hell even some of the droids were somewhat sympathetic, but in rebels, hundreds of men and women are deemed worthless cannon-fodder, just because they wear white and try to defend their families from terrorism.The Empire in star wars isn't the third reich, what have they done wrong besides remove a selfish, corrupt system and replace it with a more roman empire approach, were planets could be protected. They have a galaxy to protect, and a holy city (filled with dangerous extremists) which a star destroyer can completely cover (meaning it is less than one mile in size) and a planet supporting a coup, are legitimate targets.
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Re: They're Finally Finishing It! I Can Die Happy!

Post by Venge » Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:31 pm

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The thing is on the scale they are at, (galactic with trillions upon trillions) A planet of 10 billion or so who is helping terrorists matter less than the security of 200 trillion, But they are definitely the bad guys. A story from a storm trooper's view would take star wars in a far more mature, grey area like I believe all wars should be. Nazis are bad, and should be portrayed as bad, because of their actions, but hans the conscript on the eastern front is still a human being. the same goes with star wars.
If you haven't already, I would look into this https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Star_W ... wn_Trilogy I haven't read it yet (on my to do list!), but it is one of the mostly highly-respected pieces of Star Wars media (despite being now declared non-canon), and one of the main characters is an Imperial Commander named Thrawn (yes the guy from Rebels) who is portrayed in a sympathetic manner.
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Re: They're Finally Finishing It! I Can Die Happy!

Post by Venge » Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:36 pm

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Palpatine actually had a plan in motion for The Empire to be destroyed in the event of his death, so in a way they're still all victims of his machinations.
Are you talking about Operation Cinder? I thought the point was to punish the galaxy, purge the Empire of all but the most loyal/brutal Imperials, but not to destroy the Empire itself.
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Post by Bragallot » Tue Dec 22, 2020 4:57 am

Well, Rax (the guy who had to carry it out) wanted to blow up his own forces and those of the New Republic on Jakku. The point was mostly to punish The Empire for failing to protect him. The Empire ceased to exist after that, becoming The First Order. So The Empire was destroyed... from a certain point of view.
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Re: They're Finally Finishing It! I Can Die Happy!

Post by kaiser bufanda » Tue Dec 22, 2020 11:35 am

I see. Well, the empire did thing right: It's existence sold a LOT of stormtrooper toys and lego sets.
and their still was a small empire. The worst of the empire left and became the first order. Their were also imperial remnants bouncing around, which the new republic DIDN'T deal with.
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Re: They're Finally Finishing It! I Can Die Happy!

Post by kaiser bufanda » Tue Dec 22, 2020 11:43 am

Bragallot wrote:
Mon Dec 21, 2020 4:33 pm
I like the idea of imperials who are more honourable and try to be an actual force of order in the galaxy. Though they use some of the imagery, I think The Empire is not as bad as the Nazis. Definitely not originally. They were retconned a little to seem more like that. The First Order though... that's another story.
yea, the first order is a MUCH more evil organization. Even in the mandalorian, stormtroopers are a tad bit more human :spoil: for season 2
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The mandalorian is helped out and protected by stormtroopers, (even though he disguised himself as a tank driver) afterwards, the even the civilian mining crew is on his side. It's only the officer who is an asshole
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Re: They're Finally Finishing It! I Can Die Happy!

Post by Falk » Tue Dec 22, 2020 11:56 am

I don’t think we watched the same episode....
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Re: They're Finally Finishing It! I Can Die Happy!

Post by Bragallot » Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:18 pm

kaiser bufanda wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 11:35 am
I see. Well, the empire did thing right: Its existence sold a LOT of stormtrooper toys and lego sets.
and there still was a small empire. The worst of the empire left and became the first order. There were also imperial remnants bouncing around, which the new republic DIDN'T deal with.
I'm aware, they are connected to the Empire but they aren't really the Empire. First Order are more like actually evil rebels / terrorists.

Like most bad guys, they had the better aesthetics. I was never much of a fan of the Rebel orange flight suits (helmets were cool though), the goofy fleet trooper outfits or the alright but kinda bland Hoth and other rebel uniforms.
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Re: They're Finally Finishing It! I Can Die Happy!

Post by kaiser bufanda » Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:47 pm

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Re: They're Finally Finishing It! I Can Die Happy!

Post by Bragallot » Tue Dec 22, 2020 5:30 pm

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